[KI-LC] Charter for Identity Provider Selector Work Group accepted for review
J. Trent Adams
adams at isoc.org
Thu Jun 4 06:51:38 PDT 2009
Drummond -
There was a good discussion on the call around the term "IdP Selector",
with the result being a request that the term be clarified. While the
minutes [1] only touched on this, you might get a better sense of the
comments listening to the recording (about 30 minutes in). [2]
If you do hold a call, it'd be great if you (or Phillippe) could feed
top-level notes back to the list. The clock's ticking on the vote,
though, so it'd be great to make sure we don't go too long before
addressing your concerns.
Thanks,
Trent
[1] http://bit.ly/d3TDu
[2] http://bit.ly/7M0u1
Joni Brennan wrote:
> Hi Drummond,
>
> As I was just reviewing the charters to prepare a status report I
> actually noticed the same thing - even if purely on the proposed names
> of the two groups. Thank you for calling this out on the list. It's
> interesting to note that one is a DG and one is a WG. There could be
> a synergy between the two where the Discussion Group works closely
> with the Work Group to align discussions in the DG with discussions in
> the WG to ultimately produce technical work in the WG.
>
> I do know that the WG is very open and excited to broaden the scope to
> include the community of solutions at large - including OpenID and
> InfoCard. I have taken a humble attempt at putting that language in
> the draft charter today, however it does need stakeholder technical
> review and input.
>
> I am happy to schedule a call with you and Philippe at minimum. I
> will send a follow on to you and Philippe in the morning to schedule a
> time during the next week. Please let me know if there are other's in
> the LC (or elsewhere) who may want to attend this sync up call.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joni
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Drummond Reed
> <drummond.reed at cordance.net <mailto:drummond.reed at cordance.net>> wrote:
>
> First, my apologies to all for missing today's call - I was in
> Wash. D.C.
> for meetings with the gov't about Information Cards and, since
> this is a new
> call on my calendar, didn't realize until afterwards that I had
> not sent
> regrets.
>
> Secondly, I sent Brett a message about 2 weels ago (that I think
> he received
> while he was on vacation) explaining what I believe is a very
> important
> issue that Kantara needs to deal with, given its cross-community
> focus.
>
> The proposed name for this WG is "Identity Provider Selector Work
> Group".
> The problem I pointed out to Brett is that the term "selector" is
> already
> deeply established with a very specific meaning in the Information
> Card
> community, and in fact is the central term in the name of the
> Discussion
> Group proposed by the Information Card Foundation, "Multi-Protocol
> Identity
> Selector DG".
>
> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/DGICF
>
> See the Information Card Foundation white paper "The Information Card
> Ecosystem" for a detailed explanation:
>
> http://informationcard.net/white-papers/ecosystem
>
> When I read the Identity Provider Selector Work Group charter last
> week, I
> was not able to find a definition of their meaning of the term
> "selector"
> anywhere within it. I do know that about a year ago, the OpenID
> community
> started to use the term "selector" to mean widgets that an RP (relying
> party) would publish on its site to help a user choose an IdP.
> However,
> based in part on the strenuous objections of the Information Card
> community,
> who feared this new use of the term "selector" for this purpose would
> severely confuse the market, the OpenID community stopped using
> the term
> "selector".
>
> Naturally I am making the same argument here. Above all, I believe
> that
> having two Kantara Groups both using the name "Selector" in their
> name and
> having completely different meanings for it (again I assume the
> Identity
> Provider Selector Work Group's meaning is different because it
> does not
> appear to have anything to do with selectors as defined by the
> Information
> Card community) would be a major mistake.
>
> It seems that cross-community terminology issues like this are
> bullseye for
> what Kantara should be handling. In fact it surprises me that two
> Groups
> could be proposed with conflicting terminology and no one else has
> raised
> the issue until now (unless I missed it someplace).
>
> How should we address this? I am happy to get on the phone with
> proposers of
> this WG and/or Kantara staff to work this through as needed. I
> return to
> Seattle from the D.C. trip tomorrow and should be able to do it
> over the
> next week.
>
> Best,
>
> =Drummond
> ======================
> Interim Executive Director
> Information Card Foundation
>
>
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> > To: LC at kantarainitiative.org <mailto:LC at kantarainitiative.org>
> > Subject: [KI-LC] Charter for Identity Provider Selector Work Group
> > acceptedfor review
> >
> > I have received a request from Philippe Clement for the Leadership
> > Council to approve the charter for the Identity Provider
> Selector Work
> > Group. I have reviewed the charter and determined that it
> adheres to
> > the rules stated in the Kantara Bylaws and Operating Procedures, and
> > therefore accept it for the LC's consideration. This now starts
> a 30-
> > day (maximum) period by which the LC must vote whether to
> approve the
> > charter.
> >
> > The charter is available here:
> >
> > http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/WGIDPSEL
> >
> > Eve
> > Kantara LC Secretary
> >
> > Eve Maler eve.maler @
> sun.com <http://sun.com>
> > Emerging Technologies Director cell +1 425
> 345 6756
> > Sun Microsystems Identity Software
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> >
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