[KI-LC] Charter for Identity Provider Selector Work Group accepted for review
Drummond Reed
drummond.reed at cordance.net
Mon Jun 8 16:05:13 PDT 2009
Trent,
Right now Phillippe, Joni, and I are scheduled to talk Wednesday morning, so
we'll try to feedback any outcomes before the Wed. afternoon LC meeting.
=Drummond
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Trent Adams [mailto:adams at isoc.org]
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:52 AM
> To: Drummond Reed
> Cc: Joni Brennan; LC at kantarainitiative.org
> Subject: Re: [KI-LC] Charter for Identity Provider Selector Work Group
> accepted for review
>
> Drummond -
>
> There was a good discussion on the call around the term "IdP Selector",
> with the result being a request that the term be clarified. While the
> minutes [1] only touched on this, you might get a better sense of the
> comments listening to the recording (about 30 minutes in). [2]
>
> If you do hold a call, it'd be great if you (or Phillippe) could feed
> top-level notes back to the list. The clock's ticking on the vote,
> though, so it'd be great to make sure we don't go too long before
> addressing your concerns.
>
> Thanks,
> Trent
>
> [1] http://bit.ly/d3TDu
> [2] http://bit.ly/7M0u1
>
>
> Joni Brennan wrote:
> > Hi Drummond,
> >
> > As I was just reviewing the charters to prepare a status report I
> > actually noticed the same thing - even if purely on the proposed names
> > of the two groups. Thank you for calling this out on the list. It's
> > interesting to note that one is a DG and one is a WG. There could be
> > a synergy between the two where the Discussion Group works closely
> > with the Work Group to align discussions in the DG with discussions in
> > the WG to ultimately produce technical work in the WG.
> >
> > I do know that the WG is very open and excited to broaden the scope to
> > include the community of solutions at large - including OpenID and
> > InfoCard. I have taken a humble attempt at putting that language in
> > the draft charter today, however it does need stakeholder technical
> > review and input.
> >
> > I am happy to schedule a call with you and Philippe at minimum. I
> > will send a follow on to you and Philippe in the morning to schedule a
> > time during the next week. Please let me know if there are other's in
> > the LC (or elsewhere) who may want to attend this sync up call.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joni
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Drummond Reed
> > <drummond.reed at cordance.net <mailto:drummond.reed at cordance.net>> wrote:
> >
> > First, my apologies to all for missing today's call - I was in
> > Wash. D.C.
> > for meetings with the gov't about Information Cards and, since
> > this is a new
> > call on my calendar, didn't realize until afterwards that I had
> > not sent
> > regrets.
> >
> > Secondly, I sent Brett a message about 2 weels ago (that I think
> > he received
> > while he was on vacation) explaining what I believe is a very
> > important
> > issue that Kantara needs to deal with, given its cross-community
> > focus.
> >
> > The proposed name for this WG is "Identity Provider Selector Work
> > Group".
> > The problem I pointed out to Brett is that the term "selector" is
> > already
> > deeply established with a very specific meaning in the Information
> > Card
> > community, and in fact is the central term in the name of the
> > Discussion
> > Group proposed by the Information Card Foundation, "Multi-Protocol
> > Identity
> > Selector DG".
> >
> > http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/DGICF
> >
> > See the Information Card Foundation white paper "The Information
> Card
> > Ecosystem" for a detailed explanation:
> >
> > http://informationcard.net/white-papers/ecosystem
> >
> > When I read the Identity Provider Selector Work Group charter last
> > week, I
> > was not able to find a definition of their meaning of the term
> > "selector"
> > anywhere within it. I do know that about a year ago, the OpenID
> > community
> > started to use the term "selector" to mean widgets that an RP
> (relying
> > party) would publish on its site to help a user choose an IdP.
> > However,
> > based in part on the strenuous objections of the Information Card
> > community,
> > who feared this new use of the term "selector" for this purpose
> would
> > severely confuse the market, the OpenID community stopped using
> > the term
> > "selector".
> >
> > Naturally I am making the same argument here. Above all, I believe
> > that
> > having two Kantara Groups both using the name "Selector" in their
> > name and
> > having completely different meanings for it (again I assume the
> > Identity
> > Provider Selector Work Group's meaning is different because it
> > does not
> > appear to have anything to do with selectors as defined by the
> > Information
> > Card community) would be a major mistake.
> >
> > It seems that cross-community terminology issues like this are
> > bullseye for
> > what Kantara should be handling. In fact it surprises me that two
> > Groups
> > could be proposed with conflicting terminology and no one else has
> > raised
> > the issue until now (unless I missed it someplace).
> >
> > How should we address this? I am happy to get on the phone with
> > proposers of
> > this WG and/or Kantara staff to work this through as needed. I
> > return to
> > Seattle from the D.C. trip tomorrow and should be able to do it
> > over the
> > next week.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > =Drummond
> > ======================
> > Interim Executive Director
> > Information Card Foundation
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> > <mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org> [mailto:lc- <mailto:lc->
> > > bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> > <mailto:bounces at kantarainitiative.org>] On Behalf Of Eve Maler
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 4:19 PM
> > > To: LC at kantarainitiative.org <mailto:LC at kantarainitiative.org>
> > > Subject: [KI-LC] Charter for Identity Provider Selector Work Group
> > > acceptedfor review
> > >
> > > I have received a request from Philippe Clement for the Leadership
> > > Council to approve the charter for the Identity Provider
> > Selector Work
> > > Group. I have reviewed the charter and determined that it
> > adheres to
> > > the rules stated in the Kantara Bylaws and Operating Procedures,
> and
> > > therefore accept it for the LC's consideration. This now starts
> > a 30-
> > > day (maximum) period by which the LC must vote whether to
> > approve the
> > > charter.
> > >
> > > The charter is available here:
> > >
> > > http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/display/WGIDPSEL
> > >
> > > Eve
> > > Kantara LC Secretary
> > >
> > > Eve Maler eve.maler @
> > sun.com <http://sun.com>
> > > Emerging Technologies Director cell +1 425
> > 345 6756
> > > Sun Microsystems Identity Software
> > www.xmlgrrl.com/blog <http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog>
> > >
> > >
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