[KI-LC] Proposer Names Requirement in WG Charters
Paul Madsen
paulmadsen at rogers.com
Fri Jun 12 07:29:07 PDT 2009
I agree that Brett's proposal seems a reasonable compromise.
If others agree, can we move forward with approving the draft charters
we have that meet the criteria?
paul
Frazier-Mcelveen, Myisha wrote:
>
> I can see why having the e-mail address in the proposed charter would
> be valuable, in the event that there is a need to go back to the
> proposers for further information. While we could just go back to the
> chair as listed in the leadership section, with people's hectic
> schedules for quicker resolution it would be best to contact all the
> proposers. So I tend to agree with Brett that we should just scrub it
> from the approved charters before posting to the site.
>
> Sincerely,
> Myisha
>
> */Myisha Frazier-McElveen/*
> (O) 703-394-1916
> (M) 240-678-8187
> myisha.fraziermcelveen at citi.com
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> *From:* lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org] *On Behalf Of *Joni Brennan
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:13 PM
> *To:* Drummond Reed
> *Cc:* LC at kantarainitiative.org
> *Subject:* Re: [KI-LC] Proposer Names Requirement in WG Charters
>
>
>
> Some additional notes regarding the mail server and archiving tools
>
> We use mailman for list management. Mailman has it's own archive
> display which renders email addresses linked in this format - example:
> britta at projectliberty.org <http://projectliberty.org> When you
> click on that link it gives back the list address in the 'to' field -
> not Britta's actual address.
>
> Additionally, we have deployed google group email archives for each
> list as a supplemental offering since it's a more dynamic tool. The
> google group archives allow a person to view the email address but
> only after filling in a captcha field.
>
> So while the emails do display in some form in both archive tools,
> they both have a basic layer of protection against spam bots.
>
> Finally, all of the basic protection described is negated if you send
> mail to a list and it has your email address in the signature. (For me
> this is the case - so I rely on spam filters and have not had too many
> problems related to this.)
>
> I hope the context is helpful for users to understand how the email
> addresses render in the archives.
>
> cheers,
>
> Joni
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Drummond Reed
> <drummond.reed at cordance.net <mailto:drummond.reed at cordance.net>> wrote:
>
> I am a big supporter of contact links (also called contact page), and
> will note that they can be provided for any URL, not just XRI i-names.
>
>
>
> That said, having reviewed Trent's messages, it's clear than an email
> address is eventually necessary for registration with the DG/WG mail
> server.
>
>
>
> I am disturbed that email addresses are then made public via the list
> archives. OASIS employes list archives that remove the email addresses
> from the archives. Can't Kantara do that?
>
>
>
> =Drummond
>
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> *From:* lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> <mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org>
> [mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org
> <mailto:lc-bounces at kantarainitiative.org>] *On Behalf Of *Iain Henderson
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:56 AM
> *To:* Bob Pinheiro
> *Cc:* LC at kantarainitiative.org <mailto:LC at kantarainitiative.org>; Eve
> Maler
> *Subject:* Re: [KI-LC] Proposer Names Requirement in WG Charters
>
>
>
> yes, i'd tend to agree that posting e-mail addresses on a public web
> site should not be mandatory.
>
>
>
> Perhaps we should all get i-names and a contact link
> <http://xri.net/=iain>?????
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Iain
>
>
>
> Iain
>
>
>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 16:37, Bob Pinheiro wrote:
>
>
>
> Posting one's email address on a public website may perhaps be a
> sensitive issue for some. Even though our Proposers know that their
> names and affiliations will be listed in the charters, I don't think
> that necessarily means that Proposers realize that their email
> addresses would be listed as well. Of course, the Chairs of each WG
> could go back and ask permission. I'm not sure we should just go
> ahead and post these email addresses without permission.
>
> But why are the email addresses of Proposers needed at all? I note
> that the email addresses of the members of the Board of Trustees are
> not posted. I don't have any problem, as a WG Chair, with my email
> address being posted. But I think we should be sensitive to the
> potential privacy concerns of others who agree to participate in these
> WGs. If someone who views one of the charters wants to contact any of
> the Proposers, that person can always go through the WG Chair to make
> contact.
> So I would suggest we have a discussion about whether listing email
> addresses of our Proposers is really necessary. We may want to
> consider amending the Operating Procedures, depending on the outcome.
>
> Does anyone else think this is an issue?
>
> Bob Pinheiro
>
> J. Trent Adams wrote:
>
> All -
>
>>
>>
>> Following our discussion on the LC call yesterday (minutes coming), we
>>
>> touched on the required form that WG proposer names need to take in the
>>
>> charter.
>>
>>
>>
>> For reference, here's the salient line from section 3.1 of the KI
>>
>> Operating Procedure [1] indicating what's required:
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>>
>> 11) Names, email addresses, and any constituent affiliations of at least
>>
>> the minimum set of proposers required to support forming the WG;
>>
>> -----
>>
>>
>>
>> For WGs, the minimum set of proposers is outlined earlier in section
>> 3.1 as:
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>>
>> three (3) or more proposed Participants of the WG, at least two (2) of
>>
>> whom shall be Members.
>>
>> -----
>>
>>
>>
>> Please let me know if anyone would like to consider changing the
>>
>> Operating Procedure relating to this requirement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Otherwise, please review your own charters and send any missing details
>>
>> to the LC Secretary, Eve Maler (Eve.Maler at Sun.COM
>> <mailto:Eve.Maler at Sun.COM>), and KI Staff
>>
>> Support, Joni Brennan (joni at ieee-isto.org
>> <mailto:joni at ieee-isto.org>). They will update the
>>
>> charters on their respective wiki pages.
>>
>>
>>
>> Immediate action is required by:
>>
>>
>>
>> * Iain Henderson for the User Driven Volunteered Personal Information
>>
>> Tech WG (UDVPI-Tech) - need email addresses and affiliations of
>> proposers.
>>
>>
>>
>> * Philippe Clement for the proposed Identity Provider Selector Work
>>
>> Group (IdP Selector WG) - need affiliations for the proposers.
>>
>>
>>
>> * Robin Wilton for the proposed Privacy and Public Policy Work Group
>>
>> (P3WG) - need email addresses for the proposers.
>>
>>
>>
>> I apologize for the earlier oversight of this requirement when we
>>
>> initially vetted their charters. I trust now that it's been raised to
>>
>> everyone's awareness, though, we'll be more vigilant in the future.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> Trent
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>>
>> http://kantarainitiative.org/confluence/download/attachments/2293776/Kantara+Initiative+Operating+Procedures+_V1.0_+2009-04-03.pdf?version=1
>>
>>
>>
>>
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