[KI-LC] [BoT] Group "Join" Form
Lucy Lynch
lynch at isoc.org
Tue Jun 30 08:46:00 PDT 2009
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Joni Brennan wrote:
> In the context of the User Driven nature of Kantara Initiative I see value
> in officer operational participation where ever possible - even if that
> participation is limited to monitoring. I see Staff as the Primary layer
> here and I see the officer moderator as the Secondary layer and the role as
> being more informative than operational. It may be a subtle change to the
> policy but I think it aligns with our overall operational visions.
+1
> In this case the value of assigning an officer as list moderator is that
> they are kept informed on behalf of the group. One Example: moderators get
> notices of new and leaving subscriptions.
>
> We could even broaden the scope to add more value and designate an officer
> as a list Administrator - which would give that officer the ability to admin
> the list in the case that staff was unavailable.
>
> My goal here is to include an officer to provide value and buy-in. I'm
> happy to hear additional thoughts for or against this direction.
Joni -
I agree with your reasoning and support this addition!
- Lucy
> thx
>
> - Joni
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:18 AM, J. Trent Adams <adams at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Joni -
>>
>> What tasks do you believe a "Moderator" should be performing?
>>
>> - Trent
>>
>>
>> Joni Brennan wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I would like to add a provision to section 5 stating that, in addition
>>> to the staff layer of management, ONE officer from each WG/DG will be
>>> designated as a list moderator. This could be the Chair, Vice-Chair
>>> or Secretary from each group.
>>>
>>> Or we could decided that one of those players will always = a list
>>> moderator. Perhaps Trent can weigh in on which WG/DG officer would be
>>> the best person to fill this role.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Joni
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:34 AM, J. Trent Adams <adams at isoc.org
>>> <mailto:adams at isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Roger M. -
>>>
>>> This appears to be a great clarification and streamlining of the
>>> process
>>> we were trying to define. I definitely appreciate the time and
>> effort
>>> you put into carefully preserving the spirit of the prior work, while
>>> also improving it.
>>>
>>> My nits are so minor I feel embarrassed even bringing them up:
>>>
>>> 1. The term "Intellectual Property Rights" is
>>> introduced earlier than the acronym was
>>> parenthetically defined. Perhaps moving up the
>>> acronym to the first instance?
>>>
>>> 2. The term "Follower" is now only referenced in
>>> the second bullet of Section (6). Perhaps it makes
>>> sense to eliminate the term from the Definitions
>>> Section (2) and insert the meaning in (6)?
>>>
>>> 3. If we're leveraging defined terms (e.g. Member,
>>> Participant, etc.) from other Controlling
>>> Documents, do we need to formally reference
>>> them in some way? Perhaps by including them
>>> in the Definitions Section (2), linking a reference
>>> to the Bylaws and/or Operating Procedures as
>>> appropriate?
>>>
>>> 4. In the same vein, if we're referencing externally-
>>> defined terms, do we need to include the term
>>> "Participant of a Group" in this document? This
>>> seems close enough to "Participant" as defined
>>> in 1.13 of the Bylaws that perhaps we can remove
>>> the qualifying "of a Group" so they're equivalent?
>>> Or is there a subtle difference I'm missing?
>>>
>>> Let me know what you suggest.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Trent
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger Martin wrote:
>>> > I have spent some time reviewing the "Groups Email Discussion List
>>> > Policy" draft and have rewritten it in what I believe to be an
>>> easier
>>> > to understand and more comprehensive format.
>>> >
>>> > I have attached my draft which is based on the following
>>> comments and
>>> > rationale:
>>> >
>>> > 1. The Policy needs to address both (1) Joining a Group as a
>>> > Participant and (2) Subscribing to a List as a Follower.
>>> In the
>>> > current draft these two concepts were intertwined and
>>> seemed to
>>> > be fairly confusing. I have attempted to split these two
>>> > concepts out into separate sections to the extent possible.
>>> >
>>> > 2. The introduction of the term "Contributor" is not needed
>> since
>>> > "Participant", which is already defined in the Bylaws, is
>>> > sufficient. I have deleted usage of "Contributor". If we
>>> wish
>>> > to differentiate between Participants who do and do not
>>> actually
>>> > contribute postings to the Group List, then the term may be
>>> > useful, but personally I do not believe we should be
>>> encouraging
>>> > the concept of being a "passive" participant in a Group by
>> not
>>> > contributing anything.
>>> >
>>> > 3. I propose that all Participants in a Group be automatically
>>> > Subscribed to the Group List. If a Member has additional
>>> > representatives who join a Group then they may need to
>>> > Subscribe, but in my opinion the roster of Participants in a
>>> > Group should automatically be included on the Group List.
>>> > Likewise for the BoT and LC lists, those holding a seat on
>>> > either body should be automatically subscribed to both Lists.
>>> >
>>> > I have made other changes to the text as I rearranged it, but I did
>>> > not intentionally change the meaning of the existing text except as
>>> > outlined above.
>>> >
>>> > I apologize that I do not have the document properly formatted,
>>> but I
>>> > have run out of time and will be in an offsite meeting all day
>>> > tomorrow. As noted in an earlier email, I do not have edit
>>> permission
>>> > on the online version of the document. I am including it as a
>>> PDF and
>>> > MSWORD file.
>>> >
>>> > I am sending it in its current state for consideration and
>>> discussion
>>> > as appropriate.
>>> >
>>> > ...rogerM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Roger Martin wrote:
>>> >> Since I do not have "edit" privileges to the "Groups Email
>>> Discussion
>>> >> List Policy" and because I feel that these issues should be
>>> discussed
>>> >> by the entire list, I was going to posting my recommended changes
>>> >> (and rationale) to the LC and BoT lists in an email.
>>> >>
>>> >> However, after spending some time on rewriting the policy, I have
>>> >> decided to draft a new version.
>>> >>
>>> >> One of the primary difficulties is that while the title of this
>>> draft
>>> >> policy is "Groups Email Discussion List Policy", it actually also
>>> >> includes, and to some degree confuses, the policy about joining
>>> a WG
>>> >> or DG.
>>> >>
>>> >> As a result, I am going to propose restructuring it and renaming
>> it
>>> >> to be "Policy for Joining Groups and Group Mailing Lists".
>>> >>
>>> >> I will post it for consideration as soon as I have completed the
>>> >> redrafting of the document.
>>> >>
>>> >> ....rogerM
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>> J. Trent Adams
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>>
>> Outreach Specialist, Trust & Identity
>> Internet Society
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