[KI-LC] [BoT] Group "Join" Form
Brett McDowell
email at brettmcdowell.com
Tue Jun 30 09:21:32 PDT 2009
+1 to Joni & Lucy. We need to plan for scalability and this will help
in that regard as well.
Brett McDowell | +1.413.652.1248 | http://KantaraInitiative.org
On Jun 30, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Lucy Lynch wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Joni Brennan wrote:
>
>> In the context of the User Driven nature of Kantara Initiative I
>> see value
>> in officer operational participation where ever possible - even if
>> that
>> participation is limited to monitoring. I see Staff as the Primary
>> layer
>> here and I see the officer moderator as the Secondary layer and the
>> role as
>> being more informative than operational. It may be a subtle change
>> to the
>> policy but I think it aligns with our overall operational visions.
>
> +1
>
>> In this case the value of assigning an officer as list moderator is
>> that
>> they are kept informed on behalf of the group. One Example:
>> moderators get
>> notices of new and leaving subscriptions.
>>
>> We could even broaden the scope to add more value and designate an
>> officer
>> as a list Administrator - which would give that officer the ability
>> to admin
>> the list in the case that staff was unavailable.
>>
>> My goal here is to include an officer to provide value and buy-in.
>> I'm
>> happy to hear additional thoughts for or against this direction.
>
> Joni -
>
> I agree with your reasoning and support this addition!
>
> - Lucy
>
>> thx
>>
>> - Joni
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:18 AM, J. Trent Adams <adams at isoc.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Joni -
>>>
>>> What tasks do you believe a "Moderator" should be performing?
>>>
>>> - Trent
>>>
>>>
>>> Joni Brennan wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I would like to add a provision to section 5 stating that, in
>>>> addition
>>>> to the staff layer of management, ONE officer from each WG/DG
>>>> will be
>>>> designated as a list moderator. This could be the Chair, Vice-
>>>> Chair
>>>> or Secretary from each group.
>>>>
>>>> Or we could decided that one of those players will always = a list
>>>> moderator. Perhaps Trent can weigh in on which WG/DG officer
>>>> would be
>>>> the best person to fill this role.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Joni
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:34 AM, J. Trent Adams <adams at isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:adams at isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Roger M. -
>>>>
>>>> This appears to be a great clarification and streamlining of the
>>>> process
>>>> we were trying to define. I definitely appreciate the time and
>>> effort
>>>> you put into carefully preserving the spirit of the prior
>>>> work, while
>>>> also improving it.
>>>>
>>>> My nits are so minor I feel embarrassed even bringing them up:
>>>>
>>>> 1. The term "Intellectual Property Rights" is
>>>> introduced earlier than the acronym was
>>>> parenthetically defined. Perhaps moving up the
>>>> acronym to the first instance?
>>>>
>>>> 2. The term "Follower" is now only referenced in
>>>> the second bullet of Section (6). Perhaps it makes
>>>> sense to eliminate the term from the Definitions
>>>> Section (2) and insert the meaning in (6)?
>>>>
>>>> 3. If we're leveraging defined terms (e.g. Member,
>>>> Participant, etc.) from other Controlling
>>>> Documents, do we need to formally reference
>>>> them in some way? Perhaps by including them
>>>> in the Definitions Section (2), linking a reference
>>>> to the Bylaws and/or Operating Procedures as
>>>> appropriate?
>>>>
>>>> 4. In the same vein, if we're referencing externally-
>>>> defined terms, do we need to include the term
>>>> "Participant of a Group" in this document? This
>>>> seems close enough to "Participant" as defined
>>>> in 1.13 of the Bylaws that perhaps we can remove
>>>> the qualifying "of a Group" so they're equivalent?
>>>> Or is there a subtle difference I'm missing?
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you suggest.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>> Trent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Roger Martin wrote:
>>>> > I have spent some time reviewing the "Groups Email Discussion
>>>> List
>>>> > Policy" draft and have rewritten it in what I believe to be an
>>>> easier
>>>> > to understand and more comprehensive format.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have attached my draft which is based on the following
>>>> comments and
>>>> > rationale:
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. The Policy needs to address both (1) Joining a Group as a
>>>> > Participant and (2) Subscribing to a List as a Follower.
>>>> In the
>>>> > current draft these two concepts were intertwined and
>>>> seemed to
>>>> > be fairly confusing. I have attempted to split these two
>>>> > concepts out into separate sections to the extent
>>>> possible.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. The introduction of the term "Contributor" is not needed
>>> since
>>>> > "Participant", which is already defined in the Bylaws, is
>>>> > sufficient. I have deleted usage of "Contributor". If
>>>> we
>>>> wish
>>>> > to differentiate between Participants who do and do not
>>>> actually
>>>> > contribute postings to the Group List, then the term
>>>> may be
>>>> > useful, but personally I do not believe we should be
>>>> encouraging
>>>> > the concept of being a "passive" participant in a Group
>>>> by
>>> not
>>>> > contributing anything.
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. I propose that all Participants in a Group be
>>>> automatically
>>>> > Subscribed to the Group List. If a Member has additional
>>>> > representatives who join a Group then they may need to
>>>> > Subscribe, but in my opinion the roster of Participants
>>>> in a
>>>> > Group should automatically be included on the Group List.
>>>> > Likewise for the BoT and LC lists, those holding a seat
>>>> on
>>>> > either body should be automatically subscribed to both
>>>> Lists.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have made other changes to the text as I rearranged it, but
>>>> I did
>>>> > not intentionally change the meaning of the existing text
>>>> except as
>>>> > outlined above.
>>>> >
>>>> > I apologize that I do not have the document properly formatted,
>>>> but I
>>>> > have run out of time and will be in an offsite meeting all day
>>>> > tomorrow. As noted in an earlier email, I do not have edit
>>>> permission
>>>> > on the online version of the document. I am including it as a
>>>> PDF and
>>>> > MSWORD file.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am sending it in its current state for consideration and
>>>> discussion
>>>> > as appropriate.
>>>> >
>>>> > ...rogerM
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Roger Martin wrote:
>>>> >> Since I do not have "edit" privileges to the "Groups Email
>>>> Discussion
>>>> >> List Policy" and because I feel that these issues should be
>>>> discussed
>>>> >> by the entire list, I was going to posting my recommended
>>>> changes
>>>> >> (and rationale) to the LC and BoT lists in an email.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> However, after spending some time on rewriting the policy, I
>>>> have
>>>> >> decided to draft a new version.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> One of the primary difficulties is that while the title of
>>>> this
>>>> draft
>>>> >> policy is "Groups Email Discussion List Policy", it actually
>>>> also
>>>> >> includes, and to some degree confuses, the policy about
>>>> joining
>>>> a WG
>>>> >> or DG.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As a result, I am going to propose restructuring it and
>>>> renaming
>>> it
>>>> >> to be "Policy for Joining Groups and Group Mailing Lists".
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I will post it for consideration as soon as I have completed
>>>> the
>>>> >> redrafting of the document.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ....rogerM
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> /--
>>>> >> ******************************************
>>>> >> Roger Martin, Director of Standards
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>>> roger.martin at corp.aol.com>
>>>> >> AIM: rjmartin99
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>>>> >
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>>>>
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>>>
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